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What happens if you put mayo in an ice cream maker?

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Hope you’ve all had a good week, because I’m about to ruin it with today’s food experiment. That’s because it’s all about one of the most divisive (and delicious) condiments out there: mayonnaise.

Personally, I’m a big fan of mayo. I grew up eating Miracle Whip, because that’s what mom used for our sandwiches, but my life changed once I discovered actual mayonnaise. Because I think mayo is awesome. It’s thick, creamy, rich, makes any dry sandwich way better, and frankly, I’m not afraid to admit that it’s also a little bit gross.

That’s why I know there’s a lot of you out there who hate, and I mean, hate, mayonnaise. One person I know who absolutely can’t stand the stuff is my good friend Ariel, who has a newsletter called Rel’s Recs. (And I see you, commenter Max!) But before I continue, make sure you sign up for Ariel’s newsletter; she basically recommends useful and cool shit to you to make your life better.

Now that you’ve all signed up to read her stuff, just know that Ariel’s dislike of mayo actually goes past hate and goes straight to offending her. It’s to the point where whenever I mention mayo in any of my newsletters (including my newsletter about new-to-us Chicago restaurants Davida and I visit weekly), I can be guaranteed to get a reply from Ariel remarking about how everything looks good aside from anything with mayo in it.

So I did a lot of soul searching. I like mayo in things like frog salad, as an occasional condiment to things like Belgian-style fries, and in my nasty deviled Jesus eggs, but I really wanted to push its boundaries. Like, I pretty much only use mayo as-is, or as a binder in dishes. But how could I turn it into the main event? Would mayo be good for other things, like, say, dessert?!

When you think about it, mayo’s pretty creamy, and so are a lot of desserts, which is why my brain’s attention immediately focused on ice cream. Though there really isn’t any cream in mayo, it’s an emulsion of eggs and oil that ends up looking and feeling vaguely like a dairy product.

So why not try putting mayonnaise in my ice cream maker to see what happens? As I was working through this train of thought, I told Davida what I was thinking about, and she said carefully, while nodding, “There's eggs in frozen custard and people put olive oil on ice cream.”

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That’s why I whipped out my trusty Ninja Creami ice cream maker, an ice cream maker so beloved I haven’t used it in well over a year.

Don’t take that for me talking shit about it, by the way. This thing is actually pretty fun, and it makes good homemade ice cream using an interesting method. I’m just extremely lazy and prefer buying ice cream at the grocery store, because every now and then a pint of Ben and Jerry’s fits perfectly in my ice cream hole.

When it comes down to it, the Ninja Creami is basically a weird powerful culinary drill.

You put a fully-frozen pint of ice cream base in it (like, frozen solid), and it uses a shaving blade to grind down into it and turn it into ice cream, not unlike a Pacojet, which is a fancy ice cream maker you see in some high-end restaurant kitchens. Except those are like $5,000 and up, while a Ninja Creami is like $200 (full disclosure, I got my unit for testing for my day job back in 2021).

Also, The Ninja Creami is a good place to hide Harvey and Mr. Bee from the cats, but Pepper’s too big to fit and has to fend for herself out in the wilderness. Don’t worry, I wasn’t planning on turning them into ice cream, unless Pepper decides to press the power button.

For this experiment, I decided to use my usual standby mayo, which is Hellman’s.

Yes, yes, I know about Duke’s, which we’ve had in Chicago for a while now. Sometimes I switch it up, but Hellman’s is usually cheaper, plus I find it much more suitable for slathering all over handrails, doorknobs, and the deep crevasses of my body.

I started by simply transferring the contents of the Hellman’s jar to the special pint container you need to use for the Ninja Creami.

I have learned that mayonnaise makes some really interesting noises when you have to move it from one container to another. I did not know that one substance could make a kaleidoscope of crackling and squelching noises all at the same time.

I then stuck the pint of Hellman’s in the freezer to set up overnight and meditated deeply upon the fact that Hulk Hogan showed up on stage at the Republican National Convention earlier this year.

The next day, the mayonnaise had frozen into a solid icy mass within the pint container.

I’d show you a photo of it, but it looked exactly the same the next day. Once your ice cream base is frozen, you then insert it into yet another container to get started on the churning portion.

This is where the blade comes in — you snap it on top of the churning chamber (that’s my technical term for it), lock into place, and secure the entire thing into the Ninja Creami.

This entire system is weirdly complicated in a logical way, probably designed so that you can’t like, puree your hand or something. A hand sorbet sounds like something they’d serve at a whimsical three Michelin-starred restaurant, but I’m not so sure the emergency room doctors would find that so funny.

Not only is this thing capable of making ice cream, it also makes shit like gelato, milkshakes, and there’s even a very specific button for a smoothie bowl.

Also, are acai berries still the new black? What exactly is an acai berry? The world may never know. As much as I wanted to classify a frozen block of mayo as a smoothie bowl of sorts, I decided just to hit the “ice cream” function instead.

And yes, any device that has a literal drill installed in it is going to be pretty damn loud to the point where your cats will indeed be afraid of the racket.

Speaking of cats, our cats are fucking terrible. Davida and I were out grabbing a small amount of groceries the other day, and when we returned, we noticed a funny odor in the apartment. It turns out one of the little assclowns had tried climbing on the stove while we were gone and accidentally turned on a burner, filling the apartment with gas. Thank God I located the source of the smell.

Man, we were this close to showing up in the national news. I wonder what Hulk Hogan would have had to say about it.

A few noisy minutes later, and the churned frozen mayonnaise was out, ready to be revealed to the world (me, the gang, and you, Davida was at work).

Hmm. It looked exactly like…mayo.

I dipped into the frozen-then-drill-churned mayonnaise and noticed it had already mostly thawed back to its original consistency, though it was a little extra fluffy-looking and grainy.

I guess it wasn’t going to turn into a proper ice cream substitute, but you know, that’s okay. This is how science progresses. Failures turn into wins someday. Though in retrospect, I’m not sure how anyone wins if you convert mayo into a frozen treat.

Speaking of wins, I then decided to top the scoops of cold mayo with this questionable-looking “Unicorn” Magic Shell from Smuckers.

It’s white and viscous (stop), and has little colored beads in it, because everyone knows that this is what unicorn fluid (again, stop) looks like, right?

Then I finalized the whole thing with some whipped cream and added a maraschino cherry on top.

Ah yes, nothing like a mayonnaise sundae that didn’t quite set up. This is probably my finest moment. I’m 43, standing in the kitchen with some stuffed animals, about to dig into a ramekin full of thawing mayonnaise topped with unicorn Magic Shell, whipped cream, and a cherry, while my wife is still at work.

Well, I made this horrendous crap, I might as well try it.

So here’s the thing: I had already been queasy all day, and not in anticipation of this pig slop. I don’t think I’m officially sick, but I may have had something going on with my stomach, because I had already been somewhat nauseous since I’d woken up that morning. Also, the diarrhea might have been a red flag, but what do I know? I’m not an electrician.

I took a timid spoonful of the cold mayo sundae and found that the Magic Shell had in fact successfully set up, indicating to me that the mayo was still cold. I could smell the tangy-sour mayo before I reluctantly put it in my mouth, and when I did, I was not a happy camper.

Eating a spoonful of salty, tart, and coagulated egg and oil was bad enough, but the exterior texture of it had changed to some sort of slick consistency. And to make things worse, it turns out the unicorn Magic Shell is a culinary abomination and of itself. It’s “white cupcake” flavored, which means it tastes like waxy vanilla-flavored ChapStick. Humanity doesn’t deserve that shit. Okay, on second thought, maybe it does.

I discovered exactly what had happened to the mayo upon closer inspection.

The emulsion had started to break, as in the oil was beginning to weep out from the main mayonnaise mixture. It was as broken as my hopes and dreams for this experiment, and now here I was, having eaten some of it.

At least I have an experience that most people do not (though I somewhat regret this), and now I can warn you of the dangers of unicorn Magic Shell, which may actually be more important to know, because, gross.

Now if any one of you ever wonder what it’s like to put mayo in an ice cream maker, I’m your man with the answer. I have also answered previous questions such as “Can you brew a Papa John’s garlic cup in a Keurig machine?” and attempted to make popcorn shrimp in a popcorn maker one time, so I can add this to my pantheon of bottom-shelf food science experiments that would never make it to a TV show. But that’s what makes I, Dannis Ree, the greatest food writer in all of history.

Oh, and Ariel, I’m sorry I made you read all of this. I can’t wait to read your reply.


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LLM Summary of My Book Beyond Fear

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Claude (Anthropic’s LLM) was given this prompt: Please summarize the themes and arguments of Bruce Schneier’s book Beyond Fear. I’m particularly interested in a taxonomy of his ethical arguments—please expand on that. Then lay out the most salient criticisms of the book.

Claude’s reply:

Here’s a brief summary of the key themes and arguments made in security expert Bruce Schneier’s book Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly About Security in an Uncertain World:

Central Themes:

  • Effective security requires realistic risk assessment, not fear-driven responses. We need to rationally determine actual threats versus perceived ones.
  • Security trade-offs need to be carefully balanced against costs to other values like privacy, freedom, and social/economic impacts.
  • Human psychology and biases lead to exaggerated fears that politicians/marketers can exploit, resulting in wasteful and theatrical “security theater.”
  • Security is a process that requires ongoing flexibility, not total prevention. We can’t anticipate every threat but can build resilience.

Key Arguments:

    Analyze risks empirically using evidence, statistics, and probability rather than intuition. Avoid underestimating everyday risks while overestimating novel or sensational ones.

  • Reject the temptation to implement oppressive security restrictions after tragic but unlikely events. Focus only on proportional responses.
  • Where possible, favor openness and transparency over aggressive data collection or restrictions which erode civil liberties.
  • Seek security policies and technologies that enhance society broadly rather than benefit special interests.

Schneier argues for rational, ethical approaches to security aimed at genuine protection while avoiding violations of human rights in the name of safety.

Here are some of the key ethical arguments Bruce Schneier makes in Beyond Fear regarding security policy and practices:

  • Utilitarian Ethics – Security measures should aim to provide the greatest societal benefit and well-being for the most people, not just special interests.
  • Individual Autonomy – Restrictions should be minimized to avoid excessive infringements on civil liberties and individual freedoms. Surveillance creep risks violating autonomy.
  • Privacy Rights – Pervasive monitoring and data collection erode privacy rights and dignity. Citizens are entitled to some degree of opacity.
  • Proportional Responses – Reactive policies should weigh costs versus statistically likely benefits. Draconian rules beyond proportionality are unethical.
  • Justice and Fairness – Security should not create racial, religious or other profiling biases that punish groups rather than conduct.
  • Accountability and Transparency – Ethical security requires checks against excessive power and oversight for responsibility. Secrecy enables abuses.
  • Honest Representation – Officials and pundits have an ethical duty not to stoke disproportionate public fears. Security theater manufactures consent.
  • Integrity and Character – Leaders should have the wisdom and courage to make difficult trade-offs rather than exploit fears for authority and control.

Overall Schneier argues security policies grounded in ethics rather than fear promote human well-being while recognizing inherent trade-offs. Prudence, transparency, and proportionality are essential.

Here are some of the most salient criticisms made against the arguments put forth in Bruce Schneier’s book Beyond Fear:

  • Downplays real threats – Some argue Schneier dangerously downplays serious risks like terrorism and cybercrime by calling fears overblown.
  • Too theoretical – His risk analysis approach may rely too much on statistics versus real-world uncertainties that defy probabilistic reasoning.
  • No easy answers – While citing misguided policies, critics say Schneier provides few actionable solutions or concrete policy guidance.
  • Conflicting values – His balancing of security, privacy and liberty involves inherent trade-offs and tough choices he gives little direction on.
  • Politically naive – Suggesting special interests drive policy may under-appreciate legitimate national security concerns of elected officials.
  • Hindsight bias – Assessing past overreactions easier than predicting future threats that justify caution today.
  • No accounting for psychology – Factoring human irrationality into policy is essential, not dismissed as “security theater.”
  • Technical focus – Focuses narrowly on certain technologies while ignoring broader organizational and sociological dimensions.

In summary, critics argue Schneier’s risk analysis orientation is too clinical, abstract, and devoid of political and human realities to transform concrete policy in the ways he intends. His framework may therefore lack sufficient nuance or guidance.

It’s interesting. The summary is pretty accurate, and so are the criticisms. The book was a product of my thinking twenty years ago, and my own thinking has evolved to address those criticisms.

Of course, this only works with older books that the LLM has ingested, and probably works better with books that have been written about.

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